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Changes to Codiene Scheduling?

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6 months 2 weeks ago #28320 by Johnno
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Hi all,

I believe Panadeine Forte has been a prescription only medication , I understand that all medication like cold and flu tabs which have codiene as an ingredient are being made prescription only to stop potential bulk buying for non legal manufacturers of mind numbing ,hallucinate giving medication

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6 months 2 weeks ago - 6 months 2 weeks ago #28322 by Mango
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Was tempted to put this in the scared sh*tless thread. ;)

So I've done it, I am seeing a different doctor tomorrow at a different clinic. Purely to find out what are the rules about Panadiene Forte.
(Johhno - I know its always been script but my doc has told me that it is now authority script and they have restricted the use and use for Chronic Pain is not approved)

This isn't about the panadiene forte. I have been a week without codeine at this point. The couple of bad nights I had a took extra temaze (total 30mg) to try and cover it so I could sleep. So far that has worked. No idea what my doc will think of that. I have had minimal withdrawals, feel like I have a mild head cold. Which I am pretty chuffed about, and says a lot for how low my dose was. Well to me anyway.

Anyway I am really scared. My doc is NOT a stupid man, he is human and has mistaken a couple of things (he confused kilojules with calories, he admitted his confusion, so now I write both. It was actually funny at the time. He kept telling me to lower my daily intake, he was confusing my 4000KJ with 4000 calories...... )... Anyhoo...

My doc is NOT a stupid man, and there is a big difference with PF remaining a regular script and an authority script with very restricted uses. Which means he has lied to me. And this is really upsetting. One of the reasons I like my doc is he has always been straight with me. If he REALLY wanted me to try a no codeine approach, just say "Ok I'm not writing any more scripts, lets see what happens". Would have had the same result. I would have panicked, cried (I know how desperate I get on a bad night), and I would have gone with no codeine. Handled the bad nights the way I did, and we'd be here.

Truth is I was taking at least one tab a day simply because I was expecting withdrawals if I took none. It's only probably 2-3 nights a week when I have a bad one and will NEED the extra to take the edge off so I can sleep. I know the vicious cycle that happens if I can't.

So the fact I have survived with none is a good thing. I do want to talk to him about those bad nights, and what we do.

BUT..... I am feeling really confused, conflicted and betrayed. And terrified.

I live in a small town that has three General Practice Clinics. The one I have been to for 15 years, the one I am going to tomorrow and one I have sworn I will never set foot in again. (long story... it was quite frankly traumatic). Anyhoo.... I hate the idea of a new doc, having to explain it all, and just hope the doc doesn't label me a "drug addict" or "psycho"... But I will make it clear I do NOT want a script, I purely want to know the rules.

Means I still have to go thru the new patient rigmarole, full history, meds list and so on. All that just to ask the doc the one little question.

But that's not where the fear kicks in, probably be a good thing to have all my history at a different clinic, it is becoming increasingly hard to get an appointment at my regular clinic.

The fear is : If he confirms what you have all told me .... THEN WHAT???!!?!?!?!?!

Do I confront my doc that he has lied to me? I have ALWAYS done pretty much what ever he has told me because I trusted him.
How do I keep going if I no longer trust him? Do I seriously look into switching docs? And the town we live in, because its rural we get a lot of docs that do a one or two year stint, and then move on. The only way to ensure you get a long term doc is to get in with one of the practice partners, and that is not an easy task. Like I said my current doc has been my doc for 10 years now.

I have a feeling that if the doc tomorrow confirms what you all have told me I am going to be in a bad way. I have an appt to see my doc on Feb 8th, so I have a week to work out what to do.

I am not in a good place right now, I have had the thought "Dave had the right idea" multiple times a day. And it's not due to no codeine, which I am damn sure my doc would assume. Like I said, feel like a mild head cold. And I'm pretty chuffed I'm codeine free. As long as I have an option which works for the bad nights, I will muddle through.

I'm just so tired of the constant struggle and battle. The assumptions, that because I have used codeine for so long, that I am just a drug addict. My family don't call my doc a doctor, they call him my "dealer". Really gets to me that people think I would CHOOSE this life. I don't have friends, I have people I know, some since high school. And we call them friends, but I would call you my friends too. I have people I have never met that I call friends ("met" thru my online cat group, and online wrestling group) I don't go anywhere, travelling anywhere longer than the 30mins into town is damn hard, Due to my aircon issues (I feint) I simply can't walk into a lot of shops, if I am in a loud environment I am pretty much deaf, always leaves me feeling completely stupid, as I just can't hear. The sound just all blurrs into one and it's just noise. Mind you any hearing tests all come back "normal". I am in constant pain, I am physically restricted as to what I can and can't do. I'm not happy. I am alive, I have things I do enjoy and love. At the same time I'm not depressed, I have been there. I have accepted my lot a long time ago.

And FINALLY after 25 years of this crap, I feel I am finally in a place where I can have a satisfactory life. My pain was stable, Lyrica has been a god send to me. That has made the BIG difference. And now here I am having the rug pulled out. Suddenly codeine is the big bad and I find myself having to fight again. I'm not AGAINST going codeine free. It would be awesome if I can maintain that. Thru all that I always felt I was ok because I had a good doc, who understood (he has a masters in Chronic Pain), he'd always been straight with me... until now.

I am tired. I am just so sick and bloody tired. And what the hell do I do if the new doc confirms?!?!
What in the actual hell do I do? But then I've been living in Lucifer's Basement now for 25 years..... And I keep thinking "Dave got out"..... And I know I shouldn't think that, but I do. Am. Will.

Sorry it's long. Not a good day.
Mango xx

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6 months 2 weeks ago #28327 by Johnno
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Hey Mango,

Please please don’t think bad thoughts you probably know the effect our friends loss had on me I was a mess and I’d only been online the night before and hadn’t twigged so please stay with us talk to us , as you know we are here 24/7 and we do care , are you on the northern nsw coast area ?
I’ll pm you my phone no if you want a chat
Please stay strong
I feel your pain with hearing if I’m in a shop it’s absolute hell as I have tinnitus and the cicadas are buzzing so loud I feel like head butting the wall I have two hearing aids to try to resonate the noise and balance the buzz well it try’s.
My pain specialist physician asked me to try panadol osteo as it is slow release and not as harsh on your innards I’ve been on it for a few months and it has balanced the body and you can get it on the PBS.

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6 months 2 weeks ago #28331 by Mango
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Hi Johnno,

You are a sweetheart. Yes, Like you Dave's passing hit me like a freight train. I was talking to him the day before about his dogs and how much he loved laying on the ground in the sun with them. Like you I did not pick it, and it sent me reeling.

I will PM you. While I would love to exchange numbers, I can only speak on the phone on speaker. Holding anything against my ears is like holding a hot poker against my ear. And since Mum lives with me (for her own medical reasons - multi heart attacks) I am rarely alone to be able to speak freely. However I will trade emails.

I am in South East Victoria. 90 Mile Beach. I'll leave it at that for here.

As for "bad thoughts"... that is all they are. For one little furry reason. My little Furry Shadow. I call her Poppi.
There is not another person on this planet I trust to look after her properly, and that means I either take her with me, which is completely unfathomable OR I have to stick around to look after her. I do have six other cats, who also rely on me to keep them in the manner to which they have become accustomed.

But Popps is my heart beat. She is an indoor only cat, and she basically follows me everywhere. So long as she is around, so I will be. I seriously cannot imagine that changing. Don't know if you are a cat person or not, but this is my Popps. My Furry Shadow.
Mango xx

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6 months 2 weeks ago #28333 by Johnno
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Hey Mango,

Stay strong for popps she looks lovely we used to have a cat many years ago called kitty (ironic name) who loved us and finally left us and we’ve been dog lovers since an American cocker spaniel nd two cavalier King Charles spaniels Lucy was our last little one and so far we haven’t wanted to replace her in any way,
Furry family are with us for too short a time .
Take care
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6 months 1 week ago - 6 months 1 week ago #28344 by Mango
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Ok, just a quick one. Thursdays are always a bad day, as it is go to town day.
Anyhoo, turns out you were all right. There is no change to the Panadiene Forte scripts. I ended up asking my pharmasist. Should have gone that route first.

I bailed on the new clinic, I waited for an hour and was about to fient from the aircon, so I just said I couldn’t wait any more.

But I did see a sign on their wall that says something like “Doctors of this practice no longer prescribe drugs of depndance. Including but not limited to xanax, endone, oxycontin, codiene, pethadine, fentayl ...... (and listed some others) unless in the event of terminal illness or post surgery”

So perhaps my regular clinic has taken on some sort of policy them selves in regard to codiene.
I will find out the details in a weeks time.
Thanks for the support.
Now I am off to indulge in some distraction and watch some trashy housewives show to pass some time.
Mango xx

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